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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:13 pm 
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Hello everyone. Hope someone here can help answer my question.

I'm in the process of purchasing a VEPR Pioneer in .223 from a fellow on one of my local forums. I've been tying to research doing the Definitive Arms AR mag conversion to this rifle for a couple of reasons. For one, I have a crap ton of AR mags, so it would save me from having to stock up on the more expensive proprietary VEPR mags. Also, in the case of a doomsday zombie apocolypse situation, I'm thinking spare AR mags will be a helluva lot easier to find than proprietary VEPR mags.

Has anyone here done this conversion and if so, how is it working for you?

Most importantly for me, is it doable on the "Pioneer" version with the full length sporter stock? I'm finding some info here and there on the conversion, but am not having a whole lot of luck finding any specific to Pioneer versions of the VEPR. Is there anything else I would need to do in addition to the DA conversion? Bullet guide?

Anyone else besides Definitive Arms making parts for this conversion that are of comparable quality that you would recommend instead?

Making this mod will still keep me 922R compliant, yes?

Lastly, as a worst case scenario. If what I'm reading is correct, OEM Saiga mags will work in the VEPR. Is this correct?

Thanks.

Any other suggestions for this rifle, I'm all ears.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2020 5:58 am 
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Welcome to the Forum. I wouldn't worry about 922 unless you are a manufacturer. Usually the OEM mags will swap between Vepr and Saiga. They are hard to find. You might want to try the SGM 223 Vepr/ Saiga mags. I'm not sure if you will have more options by adding a bullet guide. AKs that use 223/556 usually have proprietary mags or only a few variations that might work flawlessly.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:48 am 
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Commie Mike wrote:
Welcome to the Forum. I wouldn't worry about 922 unless you are a manufacturer. Usually the OEM mags will swap between Vepr and Saiga. They are hard to find. You might want to try the SGM 223 Vepr/ Saiga mags. I'm not sure if you will have more options by adding a bullet guide. AKs that use 223/556 usually have proprietary mags or only a few variations that might work flawlessly.


Thank you for the welcome, and for the info. Much appreciated. Funny thing is that I now have an opportunity to get a Saiga IZ 132 as well. I live in CA, so the sporter stock is kind of necessary if I don't want to have to put up with all the non-sense "assualt weapon" crap we still have here. I can't afford both, unfortunately. Both are the same price. Is there any reason why I might want to purchase one over the other? I know the Vepr is more robustly built with a better barrel. Is there any reason why I might want t Saiga over a Vepr, or is that sacrilegious? I'm just glad to have the opportunity to buy two Russian made AK platform rifles.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 3:01 pm 
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The Saiga will be lighter than the Vepr because it doesn't have the RPK receiver and barrel. They are both costly and a PIA to convert if you wanted to go that route. The Vepr usually have better finishes from my experiences. You just have to make sure you follow the Ca rulebook. Hopefully one day you can live in a free state without all the headaches.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 1:02 am 
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Commie Mike wrote:
The Saiga will be lighter than the Vepr because it doesn't have the RPK receiver and barrel. They are both costly and a PIA to convert if you wanted to go that route. The Vepr usually have better finishes from my experiences. You just have to make sure you follow the Ca rulebook. Hopefully one day you can live in a free state without all the headaches.


I hear you about moving to a free state. I’ve promised myself that once my parents go, may that not be for a long time, I will move to America. That said, I ended up getting the Vepr and turned a buddy of mine onto the Saiga. I ended up purchasing 6 mags from K-Var earlier today. I also purchased a trigger group as spare parts, but they are Russian. As I’m learning more about this 922r business, looks like installing those components is a no, no unless I replace an equal amount of other parts with US made parts? Is that correct? No big deal as the parts were only 10 bucks. I will save them for the zombie apocalypse when silly laws like that no longer matter.

I would, however, like to get the enhanced trigger group I saw on the FIME group website, but there is no link to click on to order. I’m assuming they are long since sold out. I actually went on their site originally for the mags as well, but ended up ordering from K-Var once I realized I couldn’t place an order on the FIME site.


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